Iterations of Erasure: An Interview With Zoe Korte

In “Slumber party,” our Redacted challenge finalist, Zoe Korte uses the burning haibun poetic form to navigate sexual trauma and the loss of autonomy. It was an honor to speak with Zoe about their poem’s structure, language, and craft. Read the piece, and then check out our conversation.

Rebecca Paredes: You submitted this piece for our Redacted challenge, which invited writers to explore the after-effects of what gets hidden. How did that prompt inform this poem?

Zoe Korte: As a kid experiencing child-on-child sexual abuse (COCSA), I had no vocabulary to name my trauma. If that wasn’t taboo enough, I was entrenched in purity culture, the adults around me sheltered and deprived me of self-knowledge. Victims of abuse are encouraged to keep silent and avoid conflict, and receive backlash for using their voices. My words, my autonomy, my understanding of myself was actively being erased. I have been working with erasure poetry for about a decade and recently started experimenting with the burning haibun form created by torrin a. greathouse, who has also used this method to explicate themes of sexual trauma.

RP: We universally applauded this poem’s layers—the way the opening poem is so impactful, yet disorienting, not unlike the speaker at the slumber party, followed by the self-erasure to reveal the deeper truths underneath. Can you talk about your approach to the three levels of self-erasure?

ZK: Each iteration of erasure represents repeated trauma, as the voice of the poem becomes increasingly disjointed and associative. The speaker is reduced to simple begging, insisting in new ways while being ignored, and gradually gives up on being heard at all. Similarly, the form mimics how memory degrades over time, but as it decomposes, it can fertilize new insights. I tend to think of erasure poetry not as burying meaning, but unearthing or excavating it, almost in a surgical sense as the writing process requires an almost meditative state of focus and discernment.

RP: The phrase “small but dense” appears multiple times in the beginning, and it’s such an evocative phrase—of childhood, of bodies, of an innocence that must now carry weight. What does this phrase mean for you in the poem?

ZK: With most of my work, I often don’t realize a poem or volume has accumulated its own lexicon except in retrospect, when my obsessions and thought patterns emerge across pieces. However, in the run-on word-vomit section of my burning haibuns, I do consciously double back and recycle phrases to unfold multiple dimensions and reach a semi-satisfying conclusion. Revelation and realization alter the past as we remember in new ways and experience multiple truths. I have often found that growth feels like spiraling back to the same ideas but with added insight. This particular phrase is an echo of a recurring motif of mine. Thinking of myself as discrete, compact, or finite has always helped ground me, like an antidote to dissociation. Acknowledging the limits of my body, memory, and perception, especially in regards to my child self, has led me to feel less overwhelmed and consumed by trauma and shame.

RP: Is there anything else you’d like to share about this piece, or anything you’re working on now?

ZK: I am polishing up a full-length collection of erasures largely composed during the early days of the pandemic that I hope to publish in the near future! I also encourage everyone to look into signs of COCSA, whether you suspect you have experienced this type of abuse or would like to be more aware of how to prevent it. RAINN has some great resources.

Slumber party

She taught me the words for my body and then stripped them away, all my anatomy, my life-giving, my floating head tied down by a thin ribbon and a small but dense weight, made me just like her, disoriented, umbric and amniotic, just a silly game, a wet smooch, aren’t you too young to think about boys, this is what my daddy and mommy do, this is called the, your, my, my, my, oh my, too obedient to say God, filling with dark confetti, small but dense, that slumber-party scent, rape-sweet with shame, purple sparkles suspended in gooey shame, cello-dark like dozens of doll eyes, desire suspended in context, my who has known molestation but still wants, my mislabeled Wednesday, my belly button, my cold seat, I who know but still want, I who just like her, I who think about boys, I who say God like a small but dense weight, I who life-giving feel shame, I who dark desire give in to the cello, no word for body, all slumber

Body Count

in the beginning, there were numbers.
a mouthful of them invented to make murder 
sound too much like arithmetic: 
one body, plus one scream, times 2,000. 
count. 2,000 seconds from now, 
the sky will fall a little lower. 
you won’t feel it, but that’s the 
whole point. every second is leash
to hold. pull long enough, & something 
gives—a brick, a breath, a body. 
2,000 meters away, abuja area mama 
is murdered. her jaw clenched shut
like she bit through 2,000 spoons, 
because the knife was busy elsewhere 
in her body. at the crime scene, a man
says she saw it coming. says war begins 
at 2,000 miles before the first shot is fired.
says a number first fits into a mouth, 
long before it fits into a headline: 

news flash—popular nigerian trans woman
found dead along abuja highway. tragic incident. 

say mister, then say ma’am. 
say incident as if violence is a thing 
that stumbles into itself. 
as if a blade trips, & suddenly 
there’s a throat in the way. 
you count 2,000 ways to burn 
& not one of them requires fire. 
i count 2,000 kilometers spreading too wide 
for justice. 2,000 steps taken
from the scene to the morgue.
2,000 failures stacked 
into something that moves—or will 
no longer move. 
i have seen a man’s face break 
when he steps over a body
that looks like his but isn’t. 
i have grazed concrete that bore
the outline of a scream, the contour of a jaw 
that resisted. what have we made 
of this world? you count numbers, 
i count cities by how fast they eat 
their dead. 
somewhere, someone prays for morning 
& gets only more night. 
safety is a watered dialogue 
budding in the mouths of norm-borns.
the rest of us lock our doors & pray our pronouns 
don’t leak into the night.
at 2,000 feet above sea level, the air thins, 
but not my memory. 
2,000 lights have gone out & each one, 
a little apocalypse. 
i will count. i will count 2,000 times 
if that’s what it takes. 
if that’s what it takes 
for one of them
to finally count 
back.
count. 
Hilary Ikechukwu Emerole.

count.
Hamza Idris-Tofawa. 

count.
Umar Yusuf-Dungurawa.

count.

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Redacted Finalists

Our Redacted challenge invited writers to submit pieces about transparency, accountability, and cover-ups. In addition to our standard call for submissions, we encouraged erasure work for this theme, and—wow. Y’all delivered. We were floored by the inventive and arresting ways that writers submitted blackout, crossout, and other forms of erasure poetry and prose. Please join us in celebrating these winners, and keep an eye out for their impressive work on our website at the end of April!

First place

“Slumber party” by Zoe Korte

Second place

“Body Count” by Hero Jason Uchebenu

Third place

“[If You Have Received This Notice]” by Julia Ross

These winning pieces will publish at the end of April. Can’t wait? Check out the winners from previous challenges here. To be the first to know about our next challenge, sign up for our newsletter.

Redacted Shortlist

From fiction exploring the erasures of adulthood to poems about being silenced, we were floored by the nominations to our Redacted writing challenge in March. Our shortlist recognizes the pieces that lingered in our brains long after the submission window closed. Keep eye out for our finalists next week!

Fiction:

And I Ain’t Asked Much Since” by Ink Cassell

Poetry:

The New Art, Fire” by Tyler Barton

The Song That Didn’t Sell” by Desiree Cooper

Natural Oath of Agnostica” by Carmen Fought

Bill of Trans Rights” by Griffin Rockwell

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